What happens when the system you use you don’t reveal? I’m
task oriented. I should keep doing huge things.
In the map piece: I was following all these rules that I
made up, and then there was a point where I started to get a little more
whimsical about it, and that seemed to be good.
People were responding to that. I like to create these otherworldly
spaces, coming at it from set design.
Dance piece: In the very beginning stages of a collaborative
project at the xmpl: In the map piece, the thing I was cutting along the lines
of was the roads. And I was thinking about the way pathways are made over time,
this could be really great in a dance. I imagine bodies there, but I don’t know
what they’re doing. I’d have to work with a choreographer. I would want to do
the environment. Kim Zumpfe – emergent actions based on rules, choreography. I
create environment and she creates rules within environment. Don’t need trained
performers. Fine people who want to be involved as performers. Certain parts
are open to interpretation; certain parts are set, like a score. What things
are set, and what things are flexible? Rules and rules for games, rules are
encoded. Projected environment on the floor? Roads, dress making instructions,
topographical indicators. Decision making process for each performer. Emergent
dance. Tontlawald—ribbon grid walls and
floor with pulleys, malleable space.
Systems: I’m trying to free myself from the rules, rules are
my way of working, its good to challenge the way I work. Why free myself? Do I
want to make specific work about a specific thing that has to be read a
specific way, or do I want to make work that’s more associative and more
abstract? I was excited that everyone was getting all these things. That’s the
nature of people, to interpret things on their own terms. There will always be
associations, there will always be surprises in what people get from the work.
There is a history of artists using a generative rule system. Brian Eno’s
Oblique strategies is a classic example, Mark tansy academic table of nested
disks that creates a program for a painting. Duchamp also. Don’t be too hasty to give up on a generative
method and exchange it for whim. You can get the associative excitement
dimension without abandoning a generative system. There’s a distinction to be
made between a generative system and oppressive rules. There are the kind of artists who want
everything figured out in the beginning and then there are others for whom the
making is generative in itself, and I am the latter kind. It would be dangerous
to assume that an intellectual liveliness has to be opposed to generative
making. I can’t fall into that trap. Be constantly inquiring and challenging
myself, but don’t abandon a method that works for me. I can continue to be
actively intellectually engaged while still continuing that process if it
remains generative.
Nostalgia – is it negative? Trendy because people like cool
old things but that’s not it… not doing it for clichéd reasons. My aesthetic, I
like brown, I like things that look old. Interrogate my predilections –
staining, tea-stained paper, sepia tones, evocative of mummified skin.
Guanajuato Mexico – exhumed bodies from a cemetery had been mummified because
of the minerals in the soil. Built a museum to display the mummies, in theatrical
tableaus. The skin stretched over the faces in different ways, different
expressions. The skin: translucent, coffee stain colors. The clothing patterns
are skin color—look like leather or skin or parchment. Under lighting, letting
the light come through them. The deer pelt: it’s a skin.
Videos of hair. A building up. Its boring. Saving up hair.
I want to start a project that I feel really good about –
envisioning the crit space, I am show oriented, thinking about the big day.
Don’t have much time. Don’t be hasty to abandoned the techniques and things
I’ve developed, but change them, but if they work for me because they work for
me because they resonate with the way I think. Math, I think with rules and
lists, but I’m a maker and things happen. I don’t need to abandon these two
things and they are not opposing. Interrogate the criticisms, maps, the dress
patterns.
Cliché, maps, patterns: People were thinking it was an easy
equivalence, body and land is cliché. It could be, I like clichés, I like
romantic comedies. I don’t like really bad music but sometimes respond to
clichés. It’s a superficial read—dress patterns and maps are a representational
system once removed from the subject. Its different from hokey 60s photography
of a naked woman looking like a mountain range. Both these methods of
representation shift from the real to the symbolic. Modes of representation,
building it back into a topography or a topology. Translations of space into
planar symbolic representation. What other things exist that are 2 dimensional schematic
representations of 3d things? How can I use those in much the same way using
the same process but taking it to a different place? Architectural blue prints,
engineering drawings. Aerial photography. When I worked at the architecture
firm, transparency drawing. The idea to first use clothing patterns came from
looking at blue prints and realizing that clothing patterns are just the same
but actually to scale. Should I go back to using clothing patterns, I thought
of using maps as the next step, to move beyond the figure and into deeper
issues, maps are such a commonly used material. People had problems with me
using maps as a material. Where as with clothing patterns, a lot of people
don’t know what they are, and that’s really interesting to me. The map of California with the stitching
through it is a lovely object. There’s the map and then there’s the sewing, the
technology of dress making. Something about combining two things that aren’t
related. Can I flip that? The dress patterns with the technology of
cartography? Hammers and nails go with blue prints, surveying technology.
Technologies to measure landscape, trigonometry, areas measured from marked
points. You measure the body to make the dress pattern. Map projection. The
syndrome, problem of making 2 D representations of things that are not 2
dimensional. The problem of the spherical globe, cannot really be represented
by a flat plane without distortion.
Look up map projection pictures/ books. You can’t take a
surface that is round and make it flat, basic geometry.
Lines of longitude/latitude trying to be a grid but then the
north and southern poles become lines. The land masses around the poles are
vastly ridiculously magnified. Mercator projection for navigation, using
compasses. Translates directly as a navigational aid. Pan am had a sliced up
version of the glove to unwrap a sphere onto a plane. You can’t draw a line on
them.
The clothing patterns are flat representations of 3 D
things. I know the way a pair of pants looks flat. This concept of the
distortion to the figure and the dress patterns. When I attach a bunch of
random clothing patterns together, I’m distorting the figure. Scanning dress
patterns and then distorting the image and then print that out and make it.
Don’t necessarily have to use the thing itself. Tailoring in men’s clothes is
similar to the trigonometry in cartography. Measure the guys body and there’s a
mathematical form that dictates the suit pattern. Women’s clothing is more
sculptural. There’s an algorithm for the men’s suits. Going from a pattern for
a specific piece of clothing to a system of distortion of cartography. Take
data from the body, subject them to a mathematical distortion, based on a grid,
like in map distortion. A pattern that would fit no real human being. Mutated
clothing. By sewing I’m making reference to what I did – the paper patterns say
what I did. Speak to women’s craft, labor, I’m interested in the labor that
goes into clothing. We don’t think about it, Marx’s commodity fetishism.
Another direction: contemporary dress-making technologies, laser cutters. They
cut thru so many sheets of denim. The line walks a bità more and more distortion.
Passing through a numerical processing stage within computer and coming back
again to a laser cutter, and it spits out bits of a pattern.
Distortion: ‘On Growth and Form’ by Darcy Thompson. Mathematics
of nature, Fibonacci spirals. Mathematical Distortion of the grid to get one
species from another. With very simple but rigorous mathematical distortions.
Put a grid down and do something mathematical to the grid. Clothing patterns
are doing the same thing—putting an order on something natural, especially with
men’s clothing, and those don’t refer as much to feminism. Frank Gehry, its
like making a building out of dress patterns. Scott Snibbe, combinations of
utilizing mathematical system to produce graphic projection. Its like map
projections.
Sewing, textile based skills, computer, video skills. Sewing
metaphors are rich. Feminist point of view. Lacan’s sutures. Building a
practice. Feeling de-stabilized.
Chicken wire: I’m making really interested forms. Not a
rectilinear grid, we are so full of grids—it can be more biomorphic. Something
to think more about. Sculptural possibilities are endless, reminds me of
knitting, its twisted, woven, knotted. Bringing seams together – like darts, a
dress-making effect to produce the form.
{images: 1 Marcel Duchamp, The Bride Stripped Bare by Her Bachelors, Even (1915-1923); 2 - 5 mummies of Guanajuato (Mexico); 6 - 11 Map projections; 12 - 14 Darcy Thomson 'On Growth and Form' (published 1917); 15 Frank Gehry's Cleveland Clinic Lou Ruvo Center for Brain Health (Las Vegas)}
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